Encuesta Sudáfrica (BF mar’24): la ANC volvería a ganar las elecciones

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Encuesta para elecciones generales en Sudáfrica apunta a una nueva victoria de la ANC:

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XallasTycoon
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2 años hace

TENDENCIA ZÚRRALE AL NAZI LLORÓN

La anterior muestra era de un namibio a un nazi de bajo rango, pero esta es hacia el Jefazo (???) Parece que a Scholz le han pintado una esvástica con estiércol en la calva

https://x.com/_filipeneves/status/1768389806642319675?s=61

karma
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2 años hace

Hay que destacar que este bajo resultado de ANC se debe a la aparición de un nuevo partido, llamado MK-uMkhonto we Sizwe (Lanza de la Nación), liderado en la sombra por el polémico ex presidente Jacob Zuma.

Copio el comentario que puse en su día, cuando se publicó esta encuesta:

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Crónicas de Sudáfrica: el expresidente Zuma pone en aprietos a la ANC.

El polémico expresidente Jacob Zuma, implicado en casos de corrupción y condenado por desacato a la autoridad, decidió a finales del año pasado apoyar al nuevo partido MK, del que se dice que es su real promotor, lo que implicó que fuera de inmediato expulsado de la ANC.

La ANC ha arrasado en todas las elecciones legislativas desde el fin del apartheid, llegando a rozar el 70% de los votos en el 2004. Pero tras el apoyo de Zuma al MK la ANC ha caído en las encuestas. La reciente encuesta de The Brenthurst Foundation ha encendido las alarmas en el gobierno sudafricano.

  • ANC (socialdemócrata): 39%    (-18,5%)
  • AD (liberal-conservador): 27%    (+6,2%)
  • MK (bigtent): 13%    (nuevo)
  • EFF (comunista): 10%
  • IFP (conservador): 2%
  • ActionSA (liberal): 2%
  • Otros: 7%

Cita electoral: 29 de mayo.

FuturPolitologo
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2 años hace

También estos explicando el racismo de DA:

Spoiler
Like I said, they have racist vibes.

I wouldn’t fear for a second if the DA were actually in power.

But their membership and leadership are, at best, out of touch. Hence “vibes”.

Unfortunately for them, vibes matter in politics. After actually experiencing parties like RISE Mzansi or ActionSA, which are genuinely non-racial, the DA looks even worse.

There’s a weird and unique way liberals can be anti-black. It’s subtle and hard to pin down. But it’s about the way they use merit and colour-blindness to shut down the aspirations of black people, and distribute power disproportionately to white people.

Still, I’d be happy to vote for
them in any give election.

Spoiler
Yes that’s it.

It goes together with an inability to properly recognize black merit especially when it appears in forms that are not culturally parsed by white people.

Assumptions that the most superior person in the room will be white, or at least white assimilated.

And, in finance terms, having a measure of merit which is more like revenue, rather than return on investment, forget even about profit.

Many DA supporters immediately turn around and call former black leaders in the DA incompetent and all kinds of names the exact minute they leave. See for example, this exchange.

I mean strictly speaking the DA’s job as the opposition is to unseat the ANC. And they haven’t succeeded at that. But of course that’s not really a failure. It’s the voters who are too stupid to see that the DA is the best.

FuturPolitologo
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Y estos en profundidad sobre el EFF

Spoiler
They are left wing racists. So victims of colonisation and xenophobia are good. Former oppressors (whites) and economically successful Indians are bad.

The EFF wants open borders, United States of Africa. They are losing members over this because they won’t budge despite SA’s xenophobic fit. Poor Africans are victims of a capitalist system which turns them against each other.

They are racist against whites because whites are the rich, colonial oppressors. After the July 2021 riots, where there racial conflict between blacks and Indians, they inflamed tensions between the two groups against Indians, whom they saw as disproportionately or unilaterally harming vulnerable black people.

White and Indian South Africans are also not seen as foreigners. They aren’t racist to them in so much of a “go back to your country way” but more “you are exploitative racists” way. Even with white South Africans, the idea is thay they will one day see the light and join the EFF like Carl Niehaus did.

Spoiler
Here is the more detailed, dramatized answer for the EFF guy to help you understand it.

For a long time there was a common assumption that young, born-free black South Africans who get educated and become professionals or entrepreneurs would obviously vote for the DA, as they saw themselves as increasingly middle class. That made sense, but it didn’t happen like that at all.

The key is to remember that many/most of the black middle class people you meet grew up in poverty. I have a friend who is a postgraduate in forensic pathology, but he lived in a shack for many years in school. They don’t see themselves as the middle class, with distinct interests from the poor. They see themselves as poor people who managed to escape the hood, and whose family members are still very much trapped in poverty. Their parents lived through Apartheid, many making money as domestic servants, labourers and gardeners. Their grandparents still have passbooks, and stories of being chased out of communities. Hector Pietersen, from the famous picture of the Soweto uprising, would be only 60 years old this year if he had lived. There are Coloured people in Cape Town who remember being kicked out of District Six as kids so that white people could live there.

Maybe this person happens to be good at Maths. He goes to a nice former white school and is one of the first black students in that school, and experiences racism at the hands of ignorant white teachers who grew up in Apartheid. He gets a government bursary that gets him to university. He knows he isn’t that much smarter than the girl he crushed on in high school, or more hard working than his brother. On some level, he was just luckier, and he escaped poverty. He feels grateful for the help he got from the government in escaping poverty, and wants more help for people he knows who call him to borrow money for school fees or food back home. Every December, he lives his nice professional home in Cape Town and goes back to a rural village in Eastern Cape to his parents.

When he is at university, he comes to fully understand the history of South Africa, often by speaking to his (naturally left wing) humanities friends. He meets privileged white people who bemoan the very systems that allowed him to escape poverty. Older, conservative white people complain about the government’s RDP housing program – the very house that helped his family stop living in a shack and not have to shit in buckets. They complain about all the blacks coming to Cape Town and setting up informal statements – but they have never visited the squalor of the Eastern Cape reservations that black people were banished to in 1910. They are forever whining about potholes, but they never complain about his cousin who lives in an informal settlement and got bitten on the face by a rat and now has a scar she is very self conscious about. When students ask for free education, they suddenly worry about whether we can afford it – as if we can afford to keep millions of people in the artificial poverty engineered by the Apartheid government precisely so that the white person sitting in front of you would have a nice life.

He realizes the ANC is corrupt, and the humanities friend explains to him the way Thabo Mbeki’s neoliberal policies ‘sold out’ black people. Mbeki was more concerned about complying with IMF guidelines on macroeconomics than using the power of the state to help poor black people in the same way the Apartheid people did for whites. Again, even when nobody is talking about taking anything from white people or harming them, many of the most privileged white people take offense at the idea of doing anything to help the poor masses, and become defensive at even the mere suggestion.

Enter the EFF. They go to Parliament dressed in overalls. John Steenhuisen makes fun of them and calls them Teletubbies. But you look at them and they look exactly like your parents – your dad worked as a ‘garden boy’ and your mom worked as a ‘kitchen girl’, and probably raised John Steenhuisen while his parents were out making money. The EFF are unapologetic about who they are and where they are from – they are proud of the things you were taught to be ashamed of. They embrace the coarseness of their black accents, while black DA politicians seem to hide theirs. They won’t tiptoe around the sensitivities of white people while poor black children continue to live in shacks and get bitten by rats. If it offends the white people, who gives a damn. They actually go to the schools were you experienced racism and protest and strike fear into the hearts of the racist teachers who used to bully you. They cut through the ANC neoliberal bullshit about financial responsibility (which is just an excuse to steal the money for themselves): we’re going to take the land and the wealth of this country, like the whites did, and use it to uplift your mom, your brother and your cousin.

The EFF are also very organised on campus. The EFF Student Command is full of friendly and fun people who are also receiving a quality education. When you have a crisis where you can’t pay the registration fee for the year, and the university threatens not to let you register at all, they shutdown the campus until they let you in. They say out loud what you’re thinking, about how stupid it is to withhold the very education that would allow you to ultimately pay back anything you owe. They are also a vibe – they host great parties and they look like you, sound like you and they also come from the hood. The DA student command complain about parking spots because the white kids with cars just can’t find anywhere to park on this bloody campus (“I should’ve listened to my Mom when she said study abroad honestly this country is falling apart”).

Many of these guys who live in comfortable homes and have good jobs have literal nightmares about going back to poverty, back to the squalor of the informal settlements or the poorest parts of the former homelands. They have survivor’s guilt about their family who still live there. They see themselves and their family members in the cleaners and contract staff at work. They know that their grandfather was a genius who could’ve been a great physicist, but was told he should just be a bus driver or manual labourer – not even an artisan owning his own business. The ANC promised them hope and for a short while they gave it, but then promptly stole it away – literally. The DA is populated by people with the same neoliberal policies of the ANC, but they are too stupid to even pretend to care about black people and can hardly maintain the appearance of inclusivity in their party – it’s just your racist schoolteacher who thinks government shouldn’t pay for your education because it makes you lazy. But you can’t complain about any of this publically because you need to be respectable and not make whites at work uncomfortable.

If you are thoughtful, you begin to notice that there are other people suffering in society. There are these people called LGBT who also get bullied a lot. There are immigrants who are victims of xenophobia. There are women who suffer at the hands of rapists. People tell you the EFF are evil, but the EFF leap to the defense of these people unapologetically. Julius Malema marches in the streets with a rainbow flag draped around his shoulders and calls Museveni a colonial puppet for being anti-gay. The EFF loses members because they are unapologetically in favour of pan-Africanist open borders.

Young, politically engaged, educated, black, middle class people are very pro-EFF. Not everyone is politically engaged – but the EFF is organized so you gravitate towards them as a young person because that’s just where your people are. Young people around the world tend to be left wing on average, and the ANC is a non-starter for many. The EFF is the only party which authentically speaks to their suffering, their rage and their identity – not as the petty bourgeoisie wannabe whites of the DA’s imagination, but as poor people who barely escaped from the hood and have a responsibility to save their family members.

FuturPolitologo
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2 años hace

Por si a alguien le interesa, hace unos meses vi unos comentarios bastante interesantes en Reddit explicando el sistema de partidos de Sudáfrica, todos del mismo usuario:

Party explanations:

(Parties on the left, from the top):

Freedom Front Plus – Afrikaners and Afrikaans speaking Coloureds; formed from the Conservative party which split off from the National Party for ending Apartheid; right-wing; want to form a Volkstaat (like a little Afrikaner Quebec in South Africa)

Economic Freedom Fighters – Far-left; radical Marxists; pan Africanists; socially progressive*: radically pro-LGBT and anti-xenophobic; anti-White, anti-Indian racists; younger than average and especially led by their student command. Nobody wants to work with them because Malema is a dictator. Internationally famous for their leader singing “K*ll the Boer” but the racist media ignores their 🔥Jazz Hour playlists. No, not that EFF.

Patriotic Alliance – Right wing EFF; Coloured first; Very xenophobic – deport all the illegal foreigners on day one; their leader is a former gangster; Untrustworthy but smart politicians who want to play kingmaker; Right wing, Christian and very pro-Israel

ACDP – Evangelical Christians, electorally irrelevant despite a large number of religious people; embarrassed themselves during COVID-19 (anti-vaxx stuff); “We have Desmond Tutu at home…; Desmond Tutu at home:”

Cape Independece – Want independence for the Cape (but not the wrong parts, only the right ones); Racist, friends of Farage, no serious economic plan, reject DA Federalism; Yes, Coloureds can be racist too; “ACKSHUALLY, the Khoi-San were here first”; Think that including people of colour in racism makes it any less racist; Would literally plunge South Africa into a bloody, ancient land war because the pothole on their street hasn’t been fixed; “Oh the Mountain™️ is so lovely isn’t it?”; “The Cape is like a different country; it’s like a first world country! (ignore the literal generational gang wars happening where the poor Coloureds live)”

Bottom two:

ANC – Governing party since 1994; Mandela was okay, Thabo Mbeki was a neoliberal and an AIDS denialist, Zuma stole the country, Ramaphosa is weak; All corrupt. “Comrade!” “Cadre!” “Elder!” “Leadership!” “Aluta?” “Continua!”. Champagne socialist kleptocrats who will steal your children’s school money. Smart politicians.

DA – Liberal technocrats who inherited Afrikaner nationalists from the National Party; Don’t understand why all South Africans didn’t vote for them after they fixed a pothole in the Western Cape; Weirdly fixated on “woke politics” for some reason; Just hold your nose and vote for them; Can’t work with other people… like at all. Wish SA was a two-party system.

Breakup parties:

BOSA – This is the party that the first black leader of the DA, Mmusi Maimane, started after he was kicked out. “Activist” energy but it’s sad, little funding. Everyone likes Mmusi but nobody takes him seriously.

GOOD – The party founded by Patricia de Lille, the former mayor of Cape Town, when the DA pushed her out. Went into coalition with the ANC even before they had to and got a nice cabinet position. (A “blesser” is South African for a sugar daddy, i.e. Cyril “Cupcake” Ramaphosa). Social democrats.

ActionSA – Also DA refugees, including Herman Mashaba who was the mayor of Joburg and Athol Trollip, who was the Chris Pappas of the 2000s; Stable and growing party. Leader is kind of right wing and xenophobic. “DA-lite”. Right wing in South Africa, social democrats anywhere else.

RISE Mzansi – Explicit social democrats, seem like nice people. Truly new party, very little baggage. Authentically multiracial and inclusive. A few DA refugees have found a home here.
COPE – ANC breakaway. Absolute disaster. 3rd largest party in 2009 and then totally collapsed. “If we lose votes this election I will eat my hat!“. The joke of South African politics; “We don’t want to end up like COPE”; South Africa if COPE wasn’t a joke: utopia.jpg. Social democrats.

MK – Jacob Zuma needs a political party because he doesn’t want to go to jail. Will probably kill us all. Mask-off, left-wing black nationalism (“we the oppressed people of this land”) with Zulu nationalist sprinkles. Zuma is a Putin ally.

IFP – “So actually, I’m Zulu. And as Zulu people…”; Boycotted the election in the 90s after fighting a low-grade civil war with the ANC (atrocities on both sides). Conservative, right-wing economics; federalist. Trying to be a kind of Zulu DA but the brand is still bad, more like Zulu version of the National Party. DA’s rebound to get power without having to actually appeal directly to black people. Not strictly speaking a breakup party (although it was originally an ANC front) but I had to put it somewhere. “Did I mention I’m Zulu…?”

Ricardo Mínguez Álvarez
Ricardo Mínguez Álvarez(@ricargo85minguezalv)
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2 años hace

Las opciones democráticas como ACDP IFP VF+ o DA no tienen nada que hacer. El país ya es una clara oligarquía corrupta.
La caída de la oligarquía de ANC llevaría al poder a EFF que sería ya una total ruina.

Último editado 2 años hace por Ricardo Mínguez Álvarez
Ricardo Mínguez Álvarez
Ricardo Mínguez Álvarez(@ricargo85minguezalv)
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2 años hace

EFF tiene una cosa buena y es que no ocultan su marxismo-leninismo ni su odio racista. Son al menos sinceros que es una buena cualidad.

Dio Brando
Dio Brando(@diobrando20)
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2 años hace

Excelente resultado de DA. Sudáfrica es uno de los pocos países donde votaría a la derecha, viendo lo nefastos que son los partidos de izquierdas.

Dale
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2 años hace

Dentro de poco los BRICS se van a quedar en BRIC, porque al ritmo que van Sudáfrica va a dejar de ser un país funcional (ya apenas lo es). Entre el colapso económico y de la infraestructura, la corrupción sistémica de la ANC, EFF insinuando que exterminarán a los blancos, y el auge del independentismo en Cabo Occidental, no creo que Sudáfrica llegue al 2030.

Último editado 2 años hace por Dale
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